quote:What Wintermute wants is to maintain Neuromancer unattached from him, so he could be more free and powerful. Is this correct? But why Case?
quote:At the end of the history, it's said that the Case's wish to be healed made his brain generate the antidote.
quote:from NEUROMANCER...On the way back, in Babylon Rocker, Molly had explained what the voice had told her about the toxin sacs. "Said it was taken care of. Like it got so deep into your head, it made your brain manufacture the enzyme, so they're loose, now. The Zionites'll give you a blood change, complete flush out."
quote:from NEUROMANCER...Marie-France must have built something into Wintermute, the compulsion that had driven the thing to free itself, to unite with Neuromancer.
quote:Originally posted by electric dragon:[QUOTE]Towards the end of the book, Case is connected to the Matrix but the connection is intercepted by Neuromancer and Wintermute, who both exist inside the Matrix. However, the same neural pathway that allows Case to experience the Matrix allows the AI's to experience Case's brain. In essence, they hack Case's brain into producing the required enzyme needed to detach the poison sacs from the arterial lining, and then the Rastas flush his blood out to completely remove the sacs from his body before they dissolve.
quote:Nah. It wasn't that he was that good. Its, as Pschyphant alludes, that his psychological make-up had sufficient self-hatred to drive him though that last wall.
quote:Originally posted by SonOfMosh:Theres no evidence in the book that either Wintermute or Neromancer caused Case's brain to manufacture the necessary enzyme to release the toxin sacs, though it is an interesting idea. I generally stick to the idea that unconsciously Case himself was able to generate the necessary enzyme to release the toxin sacs.
quote:quote:Nah. It wasn't that he was that good. Its, as Pschyphant alludes, that his psychological make-up had sufficient self-hatred to drive him though that last wall. I think the reason that Case is chosen has not so much to do with his self hate as it has to do with Case being easily manipulated. Case is essentially a weak human being, he succumbs to stealing from his employers, becomes addicted to speed, and is unable to drag himself out of his somewhat self inflicted position in life. Wintermute is all about the contructs on the main human players, his choice of Case is as much to do with being the exact opposite move to what an enterprise like this would normally take as it is to do with Case's easy manipulation. Wintermute believes the contructs, where as Neuromancer is far more intuitive about people. Wintermute's contructs dont always get it right though, for example when Case gets the Dixie Flatline to find out where Molly is when they are up on Freeside.
quote: He came in steep, fueled by self-loathing. When the Kuang program met the first of the defenders, scattering the leaves of light, he felt the shark thing lose a degree of substantiality, the fabric of information loosening. And then – old alchemy of the brain and its vast pharmacy – his hate flowed into his hands. In the instant before he drove Kuang's sting through the base of the first tower, he attained a level of proficiency exceeding anything he'd known or imagined. Beyond ego, beyond personality, beyond awareness, he moved, Kuang moving with him, evading his attackers with an ancient dance, Hideo's dance, grace of the mind-body interface granted him, in that second, by the clarity and singleness of his wish to die.
quote:Originally posted by subject:well, actually there is. as ED quoted above:"from NEUROMANCER...On the way back, in Babylon Rocker, Molly had explained what the voice had told her about the toxin sacs."Said it was taken care of. Like it got so deep into your head, it made your brain manufacture the enzyme, so they're loose, now. The Zionites'll give you a blood change, complete flush out.""spontaneous generation of the necessary enzyme seems far less likely to me.
quote:I've always thought Wintermute picked Case because he looked like Johnny, thereby ensuring an extra level of personal attention from Molly.
quote:I'd forgotten that second passage... thing is that even if he really hated himself so much, I wonder why he worked so hard to get the toxin sac's out. Case's problem is probably fear more than self hate, fear of what is going to happen next. In the end, once the job is all done, he goes back to Ninsei, and is told by Ratz that it's not a place to return to. He get's a new pancreas to use speed again, but that doesnt addiction doesnt seem to take root again. He finds another woman, and then quits being a cowboy after a few decent scores, has a few sprogs, and settles down. Hardly the actions of someone who really, truly hates themselves.
quote:When the job is done, Molly takes off, and never see's Case again.
quote:Originally posted by hasad:Kumiko in MLOD thinks that Case was more then just a partner for Molly.
quote:I'm still not so sure there's anything really emotional between Molly and Case, though.
quote:Originally posted by RamBaud:As much as there could be at that point in their respective lives. Case was described as a stripped down version of himself, of what he once was, Molly is an augmented version of herself. WG seems to like symmetry, think of Riviera's puppet show.
quote:Originally posted by RamBaud:...Case was described as a strippeddown version of himself... Molly is an augmented version of herself
quote:Originally posted by Vesper:...Case wants to get back into his cybercowboy shoes... and Molly is running away from her past
quote:Originally posted by Rambaud: Its been a while since I've read Neuro, and I wonder if the symmetry represents something else. The 'meat', and its naked rage against the machine of intellect. Two unmatched entities stuck together?