quote:Originally posted by Trogdor:I'm for gun rights. Reasonable ones. I'm also for reasonable control of firearms. A concealed-carry-without-permit law was recently enacted in Arizona. I don't call that reasonable.This guy was legal until he pulled the trigger.I'm not saying that's only because of that legislation, but it's easy to argue that concealed-carry-without-permit presents challenges to law enforcement they wouldn't have without it. Does law enforcement in Arizona need more challenges?The people pushing concealed-carry-without-permit were even saying if more people were armed, it would prevent this sort of thing.Didn't prevent this one. And the guy wasn't even shot. He was tackled.
quote:The problem about (any) legislation is that it's respected only by law abiding citizens.
quote:Originally posted by Trogdor:(...)So let's not have laws? Come on!(...)Forget about assassinations, this is anti-cop legislation. Ask one. Ask a cop.
quote:What I meant is that legislation, in this case would not help to avoid assassination.
quote:Originally posted by Trogdor:Why do we have to have a license to operate a motor vehicle?All comes down to that.If you take the written portion of your drivers test and you write things about everyone being illiterate and draw pictures of your new idea for coinage, you won't get a license.When an officer checks your license, he or she can be assured you didn't do that. No license? They take your car.
quote:But a sanity check goes further: evaluation by psychiatrist and psychologist in order to see if one is stable/sane enough to own a firearm. No license for ex-cons, no license for people being criminally prosecuted, etc. If guy screws shortly after being evaluated, doctors, psychologists and other professionals on evaluation crew get charged for letting a wacko having a gun.
quote: If a Detroit Muslim put a map on the web w/crosshairs on 20 pols, then 1 of them got shot, where would he b sitting right now? Just asking.
quote:Originally posted by Gromit:Last month Pima County Republicans held a target-shooting event in support of Giffords' Tea Party opponent.
quote:I was just stunned to find out that there was no security at Giffords' event. After the windows in her office were smashed
quote:Why do we need governance again?
quote:Originally posted by ArkanGL:quote:I was just stunned to find out that there was no security at Giffords' event. After the windows in her office were smashed Getting bodyguards after some smashed windows seems a little out of proportion.Of course, in restrospect, she needed security.But I don't think it would have been sane to assume that a bullet in the head was the next logical step after broken windows.
quote:Is it odd that the site could so thoroughly scrubbed so fast? Not just taken down but taken down like it never existed.
quote:Originally posted by BIOH4Z4RD:(...)It's notable. At least someone had the foresight to make a copy of it. Or anyway, one page of it. Google cache still shows the text from the page, but there's no formatting or images. Waybackmachine has no record of it. I think the political right's efforts to disassociate themselves with this tragedy will be just as interesting as the investigation of the event itself.
quote:In a capitalist society, property damage is considered an act of violence, and as such should very well have served as a warning that she was being targeted.
quote:Getting bodyguards after some smashed windows seems a little out of proportion.Of course, in restrospect, she needed security.
quote:Originally posted by ArkanGL:quote:In a capitalist society, property damage is considered an act of violence, and as such should very well have served as a warning that she was being targeted. Dude, your country is severely fucked up.But you already know that
quote:Originally posted by BIOH4Z4RD:I think the political right's efforts to disassociate themselves with this tragedy will be just as interesting as the investigation of the event itself.
quote:Originally posted by Boogerhead:Her income alone makes them rich in my book. For that money, I could hire a great security team...they'd be Crips or HA, but shit, they'd have been better than nothing.A public servant should be well aquainted with frugality.
quote:It is unlikely she could afford it. Not that congressmen are poor but in general they don't have gigantic incomes... $200k a year is the average and, although it sounds lame, that only covers an upper middle class lifestyle with two residences.