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Assange:A rather dry ionterview on Al Jazzera

I came across this and was kind of startled to find that Assange is a rather soft spoken bloke. Not the rabid anarchist that Fox News would have me think. I pity the poor bastard, If we get ahold of him its the brig right along side the other poor bastard who leaked the War documents. Me, I'm on his side we need a more open govt and some of the shit I have seen on Wikileaks pisses me off. Assange Interview
 
I don't know what to think, so bear with me.

I like what Julian claims to be motivated by, and I like the fact that he's able to do what he's done, providing a model for the citizens to use.

However, do you think it is coincedental that the Wikileaks furor erupted at the same time that A.) the US is attempting to control and tier the internet for the RIAA and the MPAA through legislation, and B.) The guy that wrote the pedophiles handbook getting arrested on obscenity charges... It is as if they're working together to destroy the first amendment in the name of public saftey.

In that, whether he knows it or not, I think he is a tool. A well used tool, but a tool nonetheless.

Now, the rape allegations...

Why put yourself in a position where there might be any question? If you were truly working for the common good, and truly believed in your cause, you would not have put yourself in a position to be accused of rape.

I think the Wikileaks furor, the pedophile handbook obscenity charges, the rape allegations and the net neutrality legislation have all been orchestrated by the same organization.

Tell me I am crazy, I'll most likely agree.
 
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the pedophile handbook obscenity charges,


No, that's Grady Judd being a big ol' redneck sheriff that he is with a real proactive attitude about pedophiles. Polk county is country as hell and they like the Sheriff with a big swagger. Ever seen that show "To Catch A Predator"? Most of those were taped with the Polk County Sheriff. He encouraged a lot of aggression so knowing Florida has an obscenity charge his detectives called and ordered a copy of the book to lure the guy into breaking the law by sending it.

The locals love him. I see why in a lot of ways. A couple of years back a bad guy killed one of Judd's deputies and his K9. Deputies corned the guy in a field, spread in a skirmish line and swept across it.

He was later asked why the suspect, who refused to surrender, was shot 68 times.

His response has probably secured his re-election for the rest of his life, "I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said. "We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."
 
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The road to hell...

He may have screwed th pooch on this one. I mean, putting a potential molester away is a potentially good thing, but only if a crime is being detered. What he may have done is send this potential criminal to finishing school.

"To Catch a Predator" has a more effective M.O, as they at least are able to prove intent.

This guy won't do more than three years. You'll get more time than that shoplifting cigaretts where I come from...

They ought to have surveilled him until he comitted something worth at least a dime or two. (not allowing him to actually molest, but a little proof of intent can go a long way with the right jury.) I think publishing a how-to guide for pedophiles is probable cause for a steakout.

What a fustercluck.
 
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Originally posted by Boogerhead:
I don't know what to think, so bear with me.

I like what Julian claims to be motivated by, and I like the fact that he's able to do what he's done, providing a model for the citizens to use.

However, do you think it is coincedental that the Wikileaks furor erupted at the same time that A.) the US is attempting to control and tier the internet for the RIAA and the MPAA through legislation, and B.) The guy that wrote the pedophiles handbook getting arrested on obscenity charges... It is as if they're working together to destroy the first amendment in the name of public saftey.

In that, whether he knows it or not, I think he is a tool. A well used tool, but a tool nonetheless.

Now, the rape allegations...

Why put yourself in a position where there might be any question? If you were truly working for the common good, and truly believed in your cause, you would not have put yourself in a position to be accused of rape.

I think the Wikileaks furor, the pedophile handbook obscenity charges, the rape allegations and the net neutrality legislation have all been orchestrated by the same organization.

Tell me I am crazy, I'll most likely agree.

The charges are not rape. Its more a sex between 2 consenting adults where by trickery a condom may not have been used. The govt is going after all of our freedoms in my book.
 
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I have been getting alot of my news information on news outlets outside the US and find that other nations think we are real pricks and after seeing the Collateral Murder Video I am inclined to agree with them. When the apache helicopter gunner says "look at all those dead bastards" after shooting the ruters reporter I got real pissed. And then when they killed the people trying to pick up the other wounded reporter well, what can I say?
 
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Originally posted by Boogerhead:
... A.) the US is attempting to control and tier the internet for the RIAA and the MPAA through legislation ...


Actually, on this point, the legislation didn't pass. The Federal Courts have issued rulings against it. Yet the FCC is going ahead with implementing the rules and controls anyway.

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Tell me I am crazy, I'll most likely agree.


Don't take this the wrong way or anything, but you're one of the most sane people I know.
 
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What made me happy was seeing on mnbc that the Swedish prosecutor's website, the one prosecuting Assange, was hit by a cyber attack last night. It was down for over 12 hours. The hackers need better virus.
 
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Originally posted by Pigkilla:

Don't take this the wrong way or anything, but you're one of the most sane people I know.

PK you really don't need to mock him like that.
 
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What made me happy was seeing on mnbc that the Swedish prosecutor's website, the one prosecuting Assange, was hit by a cyber attack last night. It was down for over 12 hours. The hackers need better virus.


That seems... really useless? Who cares if the prosecutors website is down? Did it affect the functioning of the office at all? The case just sounds really weak to me, unless the prosecutor comes up with some more evidence that has not been revealed so far.

I never got to uproar over the video either, the reporters took plainclothes security with them into a free fire zone with rpgs and rifles... you see any other reporters doing that?

edit: actually the complaints about the radio chatter reminded me of the docu "restrepo" that I just saw. Two soldiers firing at a target in the valley joking about how they blew the guys into pieces, yet that has generated no uproar amongst viewers...
 
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If Assange had been an American, you cunts would've named a street after him and gotten him on the lecture circuit by now.
 
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Assange being Australian isn't going to keep us from naming a street after him or paying him to speak. Michael Moore wants to suck his dick.
 
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The case just sounds really weak to me, unless the prosecutor comes up with some more evidence that has not been revealed so far.


You mean the prosecutor isn't letting everyone in on her entire case? She must have nothing!

Prediction: There's more women, from other countries, who will testify. Assange is avoiding extradition for a reason. Maybe he figures if he can't make this case about freedom of information, he's fucked.
 
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My understanding was that the laws he broke onnly exist in Sweden. Making the other women, however theoretical they may be, un-useable.
 
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Originally posted by Boogerhead:
My understanding was that the laws he broke onnly exist in Sweden. Making the other women, however theoretical they may be, un-useable.


That's not exactly true. Sweden has different grades of rape, some called something other than rape. The Judge in GB accepted that if Assange were tried in Great Britain for what he's being accused of in Sweden, it would be rape. Lot of difference between that and it being legal in other countries.

But even knowing that, the defense may successfully argue against others being brought in to argue, basically, as negative-character witnesses -- although they might have to forgo using their own positive-character witnesses. There's some trickery, that with an agreeable Judge, would allow that information to be considered. Even if it isn't allowed inside the courtroom, come trial time, the prosecution might give a nod for it to be released, Wikileaks-style, to the public at large.

Treating women like shit has consequences. They may not be legal consequences, but they're functionally just as bad.
 
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I just think it is a weak case and they may have been "Honey Traps" sent in by some security agency for exactly this purpose. It just seems to me to be too convenient. I am sure that our govt had sent some moles in to keep an eye on them thats just the way the CIA rolls.
 
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Originally posted by dawntreader:
I just think it is a weak case and they may have been "Honey Traps" sent in by some security agency for exactly this purpose. It just seems to me to be too convenient. I am sure that our govt had sent some moles in to keep an eye on them thats just the way the CIA rolls.


A lot of people think that, including Michael Moore, but not including me. You're certainly not alone on the WGB in thinking that.
 
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My understanding was that the laws he broke onnly exist in Sweden.


In fact, and because this is a prominent myth amongst Assange supporters, if what Assange is being accused of in Sweden were not a crime in Great Britain, the extradition case would not have gone beyond the first hearing.

Germany has very VERY strict laws against publicly denying the Holocaust, saying or writing things in favor of anything Nazi, and stuff like that, not illegal in other European countries. It's very difficult if not impossible to extradite someone from Great Britain to Germany on those charges. Doesn't make it past the first hearing. However much the British Judge may agree with the unsavory nature of anything pro-Nazi, and however much he or she may sympathize with Germany on the reason for these laws, extradition doesn't happen. It amounts to a virtual political asylum. Since I last looked at this, there may have been extradition agreements put in place between Germany and Great Britain, but I'm not aware of any.

In general, a person has to be accused of something that is a crime in the extraditing country for extradition to go past the first hearing. It can be called something else, but it has to be the same act or potential crime.
 
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Oh! And I'm not saying or even implying you're an Assange supporter, Boog. With regard to the rape charges, I know you're not.
 
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lol... yeah, I know. I am so used to discussing these things with lawyers that I usually fall into a "devils advocate" position without thinking about it. I don't really know what to think of this whole fustercluck, 'cause it seems to me that there are a lot of strings being pulled from behind some very thick curtains...
 
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British Judge

= Magistrate, I think.
 
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Oh aren't they fucking fancy! Just because they invented modern law, they think they can name things however they fucking want.
 
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Plus, wigs!!!
 
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And some of the fellows wearing wigs have a full head of hair underneath.

How stupid is that?
 
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All I know about British courts I learned from teh one ep of Law and Order UK I have seen and that ep of Rumpole of the Bailey the Girl's grandma got me to watch once.

What I learned was that you can't have a lawyer with sex appeal if they're in a powdered wig...
 
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An interesting article on the whole Wikileaks deal

I can't say I agree with everything this guy says, but he brings up good points about how having individuality requires some measure of privacy and, because of that, we can't have the completely transparent society Assange is supposedly trying to accomplish.

Personally, I think Assange is just trying to make us look bad when, in all reality, he didn't make us look any worse than we did before. He didn't reveal anything truly secret, he didn't change very many people's thoughts or feelings about the US. What he did was make it nearly impossible for US diplomats to do their jobs. For no other reason but to fuck with the US. Honestly, I truly dislike people who are jerks just for the sake of it while pretending it's for some 'greater good.'

For the record, I don't believe he's guilty of rape so much as, again, being a jerk. Unless those girls got him to say he'd use a condom and then he refused. In which case he should just take his "lumps" and get it over with; he has much bigger problems to worry about at the moment, I'd think.
 
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Originally posted by lithos:
If Assange had been an American, you cunts would've named a street after him and gotten him on the lecture circuit by now.


And oh by the way, if Assange were an American, he'd be in American custody right now. Maybe he could look out during yard time and see his street sign.
 
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What he did was make it nearly impossible for US diplomats to do their jobs.


If what we saw in those cables is their jobs, they need fired. And the U.S. Government was offered complete control over redaction (within reason, we have to assume). They turned it down, probably to safeguard their ability to pursue a prosecution that will never happen anyway. So they would rather take the chance that something harmful be released than appear to cooperate with Wikileaks.

Goddamned stupidity. For that volume of information to be leaked, their data security had to be a great big joke -- not markedly different than just releasing it themselves.

As always, no one gets fired. No one ever gets fired.
 
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What he did was make it nearly impossible for US diplomats to do their jobs.


If what we saw in those cables is their jobs, they need fired. And the U.S. Government was offered complete control over redaction (within reason, we have to assume). They turned it down, probably to safeguard their ability to pursue a prosecution that will never happen anyway. So they would rather take the chance that something harmful be released than appear to cooperate with Wikileaks.

Goddamned stupidity. For that volume of information to be leaked, their data security had to be a great big joke -- not markedly different than just releasing it themselves.

As always, no one gets fired. No one ever gets fired.


Based on the security measures in my office, I am stunned that someone was able to download all those documents without being caught. Our USB outlets are all disabled, and our CD-ROM drives are all read-only. So, either Wikileaks got the documents from someone other than that kid, or whoever runs that unit's network is just as culpable as he who downloaded it.
 
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or whoever runs that unit's network is just as culpable as he who downloaded it.



Exactly. But is anyone in the news media even asking about that? Like, hey Obama, you ever going to fire anyone? Anyone?
 
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In other Wikileaks related news, leaked documents confirm my long held suspicion that the "War on DrugsĀ®" is a fucken farce, a ruse.

Nixon, Ford, Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and every "Leader" that doesn't disband the DEA is an enemy of the state. They declared war on us in order to blackmail the world, and I, for one, am very bitter about it.

Lied to all my life. Their declarations, their taxation, their legislation and governance... NONE OF IT WAS EVER NEEDED. lazy fuckers too stupid to take care of their side of the street have enabled these VAMPIRES to suck the life out of a once vibrant country, and all of it's neighbors.

When is this shit going to end?

THEY HAVE BEEN WAGING WAR ON US, THEIR OWN CONSTITUANTS, FOR DECADES!!! We just bend over and spread our cheeks, while they stick it in and break it off.

I pay taxes, and that means I have:

Hired killers in a fake war,
funded the destruction of my own country,
segregated minority communities,
ruined the environment in the name of the almighty dollar,

and really, fucked myself in the ass.

These bastards will fall, and when they do I hope there is someone waiting to soak their broken bodies in gasoline and toss a lit match at their shrivelled, writhing, soon-to-be corpses.

HAVE I MADE IT CLEAR THAT I AM DISGUSTED?

These assclowns wrote the book that "Al Queda" (if there is such an organization) calls all their plays from, and then sold it to them along with a compliant translator.
 
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HAVE I MADE IT CLEAR THAT I AM DISGUSTED?

Yes. And I agree.
 
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Nixon, Ford, Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and every "Leader" that doesn't disband the DEA is an enemy of the state. They declared war on us in order to blackmail the world, and I, for one, am very bitter about it.


A fucking men!

Detention (prisons) has become a huge private industry with a very powerful and well-funded lobby in DC and every Statehouse. The two primary interest of that lobby? Drug laws and immigration law. With both of these, even so-called liberal politicians feel safe in accepting money from these creeps and voting conservatively.

Fucking monsters.
 
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Prison "industry" is our #1 growth industry.

Why do we put up with this?
Why do we fund it?

It is a "Gulag Archipelago" that would shame even Stalin.
 
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We (and I mean that in the most general way) put up with it because, unless we know someone in prison, it doesn't have any effect on our everyday lives. Not to mention that it makes us feel good to vote for politicians who are 'tough on crime.'
 
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Even the Russians revolted, eventually. Are we so lazy that we'll accept enslavement as long as there's reality tv? 'Cause if that's the case... nothing matters.
 
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On that topic, Obama made news today for calling the owner of the eagles about, among other things, being good about hiring an ex convict. Michael Vick is who he was talking about, noting that when people are released from prison it is nearly impossible for them to get legitimate work at pays enough to raise a family.
 
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that ain't the Eagles being good; it's being smart.

convicts (skilled or unskilled, in any sort of labour pool) are a dime a dozen, easily replaceable and with more trustworthy units.
starting QBs in the NFL aren't all that replaceable. they probably paid him a fraction of what he made before prison and now he's got the eagles on top of the NFC east.

that's just good management, not altruism.
 
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The Swiss are playing a weird game here...

This is all taking on some obtuse dimensions.

Yeah... those nukes we were all worried about North Korea and Iran gettin?

We sold them to them.
 
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