Spook World (transnational and interstitial)

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Originally posted by Sentinel400:
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Originally posted by UberDog:
You are a bore, Sentinel. You're opinion is tired and staid.

Uber, man – how generous of you to gift me with this observation hewed from your powerfully qua-modern cognitive process. Let me assure you it means just as much as your other powerfully mis-typed screeds.


Just so long as you recognize my gift, there isn't any need to thank me. I am magnanimous in that regard.
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a) This is why nobody talks to you two.

b) You are a bore, Sentinel. You're opinion is tired and staid.

c) Uber, man – how generous of you to gift me with this observation hewed from your powerfully qua-modern cognitive process. Let me assure you it means just as much as your other powerfully mis-typed screeds.


I'd hope that even a bore could at least manage to stuff the hyperbole of his vitriol with enough accuracy to pack some punch behind it's sneer. I mean: *NObody*? This is especially vapid when referring to "you two", and excruciatingly so considering that you were talking to him when you said nobody talks to him.

Anyway, you too, Sent, I suppose.
Gabble Ratchets. A deceptively simple fragment (there is already a band named Gabble Ratchet, a Genesis tribute one, as well a YA fright story) both revealing and obscuring the McGuffin. I suppose the white coffee is what the Italians call Latte Macchiatto.

I still remember several RPGs where the Gabriel Hounds appear as monsters, including that cultural melting pot, Shadowrun.
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I suppose the white coffee is what the Italians call Latte Macchiatto.


Could be. But wouldn't Hollis call it just that?
After all, even Starbucks sells Latte Macchiatto.

The Wikipedia entry on 'White Coffee' has a few alternatives :

In the United States, white coffee may also refer to coffee beans which have been roasted to the yellow roast level and when prepared as espresso produces a thin green brew. American white coffee is very highly caffeinated, being only lightly roasted. It is the length of the roasting process, producing successively darker color, which removes the caffeine from the coffee beans. White coffee is generally used only for making espresso drinks, not simple brewed coffee.

In Malaysia, Ipoh white coffee refers to a drink made from coffee beans roasted in margarine.
I do not think that is applicable in London, as Hollis has been out of the USA for long. If I had to explain it, I would propose two hypothesis. The first one is that the coffee at the club is so bad that Hollis wants as little coffee as possible on her drink, even if it means adding some unknown whitener to it. My own choice would be that, as the waitress is Italian, Hollis is self-conscious about using Italian words, and mangling them. So she reverts to an English equivalent.

As well, as I was in a bit of a hurry packing yesterday (old stones and cherry blossom hunt), when I said deceptive it was because there are resonances with several WGB exercises, and I start to see Inchmale as some kind of ur-WGB distillate, which is why we also get fragments that somehow feature his (and our) fixations.

Which is quite sad, because I am afraid I will have to quit even this limited presence, depending on who and why two members have been banned, as I cannot agree with the banning of people, even if they are annoying, because I believe (if they are the usual suspects) that they have become scapegoats for a decline in the board that is rather due to competition from other social networking tools, limited member renewal, and the attrition of real life demands. Even with their output we are at one half the posts from the burgeoning times. Without them it will be a quarter.
I'd be willing to bet that white coffee is coffee with milk - probably cold milk. "White coffee" or "white tea" means milk is added. This, however, wouldn't apply to espresso, at least not in Australia, and I'd be willing to bet we got that terminology British. I think she's just using the local terminology, though maybe one of the Brits can clarify.

Years ago, here, before espresso became so ubiquitous, drip filter coffee with cold milk used to be served in certain high-end establishments (or at least establishments with pretentions towards the high-end) as "Caffé au lait", which I believe is French.

Caffé au lait is fading from the menus, replaced by café latte, or just latte.

Dunno if it's still like that in Britain, as our coffee culture severely departed from the British in the 50s with the influx of Italian immigrants.
its true that a lot of places here if you ask for a white coffee then its a basic coffee with milk. increasingly in "coffee places" it would be a white americano, but if you ask for a white coffee thats what you get.

i also think ghost's observations on the current board dilution/metamorphosis are valid and i agree with his observations/sentiment.
In Brazil a mix of coffee and milk would be called "café com leite" if it is more than 25% milk. Otherwise it would be a "pingado". "Americano" (a milder coffee served in large glass/cup) would be called "carioca". Expresso is a neologism in pt_BR: we used "café preto" if it was strong or "carioca" otherwise.

Currently it can be scented by cinnamon and some places will serve rashed lemon skin that you can mix (I particularly don't like it).
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Originally posted by Kradlum:
I think Lithos is correct. White coffee would just mean coffee with milk, but since coffee culture has changed in the UK I think it would probably be called an Americano with milk, or a caffe lungo machiato in Italy.


But would it be, generally, instant in the UK, or drip or plunger?

There are a few places around here that do offer something other than espresso, but you could probably count them on one hand. We don't drink much coffee, and it's easier to portion control espresso. And espresso's seen as a more...urbane, I guess, drink than drip coffee, since drip is what we had before we got espresso.

Which brings us to the next question - what would you do if you're an American in a New Zealander's house and ask to have your coffee with no sugar?

This handily segues me into the this absolutely appropriate next real-life Spook Country-ness:

Kiwi buys MP3 player full of US DoD files

I cannot help but feel sorry for those two embassy agents, as the coffee they received was most likely instant.
Of course, what I think really happened is that Hollis ordered a white coffee, the waitperson taking the order clenched their teeth for half a second, wrote down the order, took it to the barista and the barista "Right. Shag it, she gets a latte."
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Originally posted by Boogerhead:


where did you get that pic? you been spying on me?

seriously. stumbled trough this thread just now. liking the speculations and background info posted here.

i don't wish to speculate myself, just relishing in what WG drops in his blog.
came across this last night.
re: mr.fish
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Jerry poured himself a Pernod and hande the glass of Tio Pepe to Karen von Krupp. They were dressed in identical velvet suits of violent violet from Mr. Fish. The effect was a litte more pleasing than a Pre-Raphaelite painting. Their flies were undone.

A Cure For Cancer
Michael Moorcock.
1971
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Originally posted by Juvenal:
3:13 PM May 23rd:
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Novelistic fact-checking request for UK readers: What color are the plastic take-away lids at the Caffè Nero chain?

3:23 PM May 23rd:
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White. Thanks. Minor plot point around woman not wearing the shade of lipstick evident on the coffee she pretends is hers.




The Caffè Nero website has photos of their ceramic cups for sale, but none of their disposable ones.
Milgrim without drugs would overcome anyone in his path with a crafty and patient competence. His drug addiction was like Superman's kryptonite or Green Lantern's yellow, a weakness for an otherwise invulnerable character.

No one but Win Pollard could stand against him.
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Originally posted by Caplewood:
Milgrim without drugs would overcome anyone in his path with a crafty and patient competence. His drug addiction was like Superman's kryptonite or Green Lantern's yellow, a weakness for an otherwise invulnerable character.

No one but Win Pollard could stand against him.
So you don't think it was the drug addiction that made Milgrim interesting?
For me, it isn't Milgrim's addiciton that makes him interesting; though it's certainly a defining factor in his actions he seems like a pretty intelligent and complicated guy. I was more interested in how he learned Volapuk and what might have brought him to this situation in life than his Rize episodes.

I think even without his addiction Milgrim and Brown could have ended up together. Brown still needed a translator and Milgrim maybe would have needed money instead of the drugs.
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Originally posted by Infinity_Circuit:
For me, it isn't Milgrim's addiciton that makes him interesting; though it's certainly a defining factor in his actions he seems like a pretty intelligent and complicated guy. I was more interested in how he learned Volapuk and what might have brought him to this situation in life than his Rize episodes.

I think even without his addiction Milgrim and Brown could have ended up together. Brown still needed a translator and Milgrim maybe would have needed money instead of the drugs.


I wonder if he would have had more money if it weren't for the drugs. It seems more likely in any case.
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Originally posted by eRthIan:
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Originally posted by Infinity_Circuit:
For me, it isn't Milgrim's addiciton that makes him interesting; though it's certainly a defining factor in his actions he seems like a pretty intelligent and complicated guy. I was more interested in how he learned Volapuk and what might have brought him to this situation in life than his Rize episodes.

I think even without his addiction Milgrim and Brown could have ended up together. Brown still needed a translator and Milgrim maybe would have needed money instead of the drugs.


I wonder if he would have had more money if it weren't for the drugs. It seems more likely in any case.


Perhaps. However, I personally have never been a drug addict but have spent several years being pretty poor. So there could be any number of reasons Milgrim found himself where he is and I find it interesting to speculate what other reasons he might have had to be in that same "place" in life.

Of course if it wasn't for his addiction he would not be Milgrim as we know him and that would be terrible.

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