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A comment or problem or question that might be worth opening up for general discussion is this:

Is this discussion board set up in such a way that a person can sign up multiple times with multiple personae or usernames? So that, for example, one person could start a thread and begin a conversation with himself or herself and no one joining in would know it but the person doing it? Play both good cop and bad cop in an open discussion with others, or both ends against the middle? If so, is that a good thing or a bad thing or just indifferent? Should this board be configured so it's one username to a customer?

I have mixed feelings about these questions. On one level, if it floats somebody's boat to be able to play various roles on a discussion board (which is not a role-playing game), well, gosh, they should have the right to do so, shouldn't they? But on another level, granting that everyone's working from behind some kind of mask anyway, and given that this isn't a role-playing game per se, I'd kind of like knowing that there's only one mask per person, that things are fairly straightforward and that some level of directness can be relied upon in our exchanges.

I wonder what other people think about these issues. And Tiger68, what is the functionality of the board in this regard?

Ron Drummond

http://www.littlebig25.com
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Ron Drummond:
A comment or problem or question that might be worth opening up for general discussion is this:

Is this discussion board set up in such a way that a person can sign up multiple times with multiple personae or usernames?


Having quite a bit of experience with other fora, I can tell you it is nearly impossible to stop people from having multiple usernames should they choose to. E-Mail addresses are a dime a dozen. So are IP addresses. So really, there is no real sure fire way to stop someone from having multiple accounts. The internet sites that have a modicum of control over multiple personalities are the ones that require some type of verified identification such as a credit card. Paypal is one example. Even then, resourceful people find a way to circumvent the built in safeguards. I'll be damned if I'm going to pony up my credit card for a site such as this one. So anyways, what would you suggest?

Nox
 
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I find it almost impossible to be able to force the one-id-per-person-please rule Smile

It is already proven that there this is almost impossible and what I hope is that there will be no such need in this board! No flames are needed, discussions are civilised and I hope that there will be no need even for closing of threads!

Since a lot of new people will arrive and register in W:G:B I believe that everyone of us should be "responsible" to familiarize the new ones to the ethics of the board...

It is early now but I am sure that in the near future the boards will find their own style affected by our posts...hopefully a cyberpunk, Gibsonian style!



Manogr...
 
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Thanks to Nox and Manogr for their sensible replies. I'm still a bit of a neophyte here, and once the near impossibility of regulating multiple personae was pointed out, it seemed obvious. I just wish I'd thought it through a little further.

As for how to handle the possibility of multiple personae, I intend to follow the advice a friend of mine offered who's much more knowledgeable about such things than I:

"Best way to deal with it is to assume that each name is a separate, real person, which is probably as valid on the Web as it is in most social situations. Don't let people yank your chain, that's all. Address ideas, ignore flames."

I, too, am delighted by the civility and intelligence and sheer style that fills this discussion page. Long may it wave!

Ron Drummond

http://www.oz.net/~jhawk/wtc/gardensteps/cityscape.html
 
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i dont know which ones. but plenty of people have made some good suggestions.
random thoughts is out of control man.
 
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Why can I jump to a page in a thread in this section of the board, but not on the Random Thoughts section?
 
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Two Suggestions:

I think we can merge the two PR threads about now, or make 'without spoilers' a subcatagory

Can we create catagories for the major works? One for the Sprawl series, one for Virtual Light, one for the WG odds and ends? It's hard to track a conversation about some specific bewildering aspect of Count Zero accross multiple threads.

Love Ya,
jandzero
 
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++jandzero.

US will commodify your discontent, sell it back to you on DVD.
 
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but I wish we had a chatroom.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by tigerstripes:
but I wish we had a chatroom.


hey TS, if ya want. my msn messenger ID is wraithkit (you can look up my eddress of course)
what if we vote for a messenger prog? I'll poll it. 'kay? my best friend just went to where u r. I miss him.

deny everything
 
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I would say we use IRC

Accessible from anywhere, at anytime.
Does not require registration.

Perfectly fine by me.
All we need is to choose a server.

But I'm not alone, and I know some people don't like IRC...
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ArkanGL
 
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quote:
Originally posted by ArkanGL:
I would say we use IRC



We discussed this already in another thread.

The room still exists, 'though there is no longer an opbot named Emma in it....

Yelena
 
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but could not find a chatroom called #Gibson. Perhaps it's been discontinued?
 
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Originally posted by tigerstripes:
but could not find a chatroom called #Gibson. Perhaps it's been discontinued?


Funny, it worked for me...I just typed /join #gibson, though, so I probably spawned a new room. Likely there wasn't enough interest in it for the server IRCops to keep the channel static. Which is a shame.

Yelena
 
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... with a final push the hatch gave and Blakkandekka stumbled into the control room. The eerie quiet was broken only by the hailstone patter of stray consonants and digits bouncing off of the board's carapace. The dry husk of the creature that had once been Tiger68 lay strapped to the captain's station, the feline claws at the end of one carbon scarred limb still inserted into the sockets at the gnarled end of the forum creation tool.

Blakkandekka's fingers gripped the now lifeless console, his eyes locked to the viewscreen as the board, cresting it's parabola, began the slow plummet into the abyss...

[This message was edited by Blakkandekka on June 24, 2003 at 03:36 PM.]
 
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That's it. This last week, just after clicking the Post Now button, I have received six times a "page not found" error, with the message being lost in the ether.

Has anyone else had the same problem?

José
 
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Let me look into this- I have not heard the same info from others.
 
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I get that. All I do is hit the Back button on my browser. It goes back to the Post Reply screen, I push the button again. repeat as necessary. It goes through eventually. I think it's just a matter of server lag, meself.
 
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If I hit back, I get a blank reply space.

Now I just copy all my replies and if I get the blank reply I just paste and post again.

José
 
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I was having some problems resolving the host name both yesterday, and on the weekend while trying to post, but both times the glitch was temporary, about five - ten minutes or so. (Also not on my end: Ping of my network card, the local gateway, another (external) IP and finally, a different hostname, all came back okay.)

Re: The back button gives you a blank screen problem: Switch to Nutscrape. Smile

Yelena
 
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Revising the posts that were lost, two were probably bad, one was clearly inflammatory, and the other three became much shorter and better (I believe) when I rewrote them.

In short, the board is better off without them. Weird.

José
 
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There are some serious problems with the UBB Search for older material.

For example a search for Author: Fashionpolice
returns only 186 matches, despite the fact that I have 479 posts (and counting)

It appears that the results only show the last 200 posts (minus any deleted posts)

Anything that can be done about this? Or do we just need to live with it?
 
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I find I do retain what I've written if I hit 'Back' with Netscape, but not if I'm using IE. It's probably a config thing, but out of interest, what browsers are you guys using? I'm one of the remaining Netscape stalwarts, mainly out of refusal to let M$ win, but also because I do like it better. I recognise that could be because I know it better...

Bravus
 
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Judging by the rather inflamatory responses to recent / recurring posts in 'Random Thoughts' about trying to contact Mr. G etc, could it be time for a FAQ with answers to common questions like these?

Just a thought. I'm not sure what all else could go in it but that could be a start. Smile

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blog
 
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Heard word from the webmaster that there is no way of changing the 200 post limit on author search results. However InfoPop is planning on implementing a date range search function in their next version of the UI.

It looks like the blog settings have been changed so that the blog entry page now shows 1 day rather than 1 post.

Thanks.
 
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An issue that's come up in the 'Never-Ending Story Errata' thread (OK, it was me who raised it!) was the one hour editing limit. It causes hassles for the story thread, but I also have problems if I don't spot a typo until the following morning - it continues to bug me, but I can't fix it!

I imagine the restriction is used because in more rambunctious forums people might edit their posts in ways that mess up others' followups, but I doubt that'd be a problem here: any chance of removing the one hour limit, and just allowing people to edit their posts at their discretion?

Bravus
 
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Hmm. I would have to vote the other way Bravus. Although the people around here are generally polite and borderline sane, unlimited editing is just so easy to abuse that I think it should be left the way it is. The one-hour limit also tends to encourage people to think a bit more about what they are going to write, I think.

As for typos and other mistakes, well, if they are important you can post a correction. If they are not important enough for that then we can all live with it I think. (The-supreme-being-of-your-choice knows I make enough mistakes.)

On the story thread, well, perfection is impossible anyway, but we can correct and modify to our heart's content on the errata thread.

Just my two yen.

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You have to give up.
 
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ch ch ch ch changes...

Thanks Admin!

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Shifting on the richter scale...
 
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no probs...
 
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Two words:

Metro Dynamics

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"I'm villifying you for God's sake--pay attention!" Henry II, Lion in Winter
 
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Aren't you turning a nuisance into a problem? Giving him credit may be worse, when he returns again.

José
 
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can we kick Metro off the board - he is a nasty and boring little troll, who does nothing for the life of this community, and to be honest, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.
He insults new visitors, talks bollocks, and is just a pointless waste of bandwidth.
Sure, he will log in under a new name, but screw him.
Who's with me?

they have the internet on computers now?
 
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Originally posted by chatsubo:
can we kick Metro off the board - he is a nasty and boring little troll, who does nothing for the life of this community, and to be honest, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.
He insults new visitors, talks bollocks, and is just a pointless waste of bandwidth.
Sure, he will log in under a new name, but screw him.
Who's with me?

they have the internet on computers now?


Im with you Chatsubo.
 
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I'm with you.
I guess we already have several of his aliases on the board, so that wouldn't bother him anyway.
But I would really like to see MD be kicked out of here, just for the fun of it Smile
[even with his brand new respectability]
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ArkanGL
 
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I'm afraid I'm with JRE on this. Trying to kick him off the board seems entirely out of proportion. I don't find him any more than a mild irritant. I think all this talk of banning him is just going to fuel his persecution complex (or give him ammunition for pretending to feel persecuted... I really can't decide if he seriously feels that way).

Rather than banning him, an alternative solution would be to allow users to have 'ignore' lists or some such as part of their profile. Posts by users on the list would just show up blank. I wonder how hard that would be to implement... not that I really like that solution either.

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You have to give up.
 
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Originally posted by colin:
Rather than banning him, an alternative solution would be to allow users to have 'ignore' lists or some such as part of their profile. Posts by users on the list would just show up blank. I wonder how hard that would be to implement... not that I really like that solution either.

I thought we had ignore list abilities, but they
weren't there when I went to look. Perhaps they
disappeared with our ability to go into stealth
mode.
 
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Hey, let's set up a WGB black list. Then anyone we don't like will have to think twice before posting something that might piss someone else off. That'll make things much nicer around here, right?

Sorry gang, I'm strongly against banning people, having "ignore" lists or any other type of censorship, except where someone's using the board for activities such as stalking, making threats against another person or similarly antisocial/illegal behaviour.

MetroD has irritated me as much as he has everyone else, but as resident trolls go we could do much worse. (And FWIW, many of his posts are v.interesting - all of which adds to the overall frustration and annoyance level, I concede.)
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Gromit:
Hey, let's set up a WGB black list.

You bet. Then we can link it with other UBB
systems to create a universal kill file. Piss us
off and you will all but cease to exist on
the 'net. This list should be overseen by a secret
group of people, so nobody knows who to complain
to. It would help if these people are prone to
random whimsical actions.

quote:
Sorry gang, I'm strongly against banning people, having "ignore" lists or any other type of censorship, except where someone's using the board for activities such as stalking, making threats against another person or similarly antisocial/illegal behaviour.

I don't like having banning people and that, but
I don't really feel that ignore lists are at the
same level of censorship. It's your personal
decision to ban someone and it affects nobody
else. OTOH, In all my time on usenet and the rest
of the 'net, I've only killfiled something like
two people and both of those is because they were
spam flooders, something that would get someone
kicked off this forum (for better or worse). I
have my own selective ignore file and equally
subjective decision making process as to what
thread I'm going to read.
 
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