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Numerous "Neuormancer" websites and wikis list the following bit of trivia: that Molly Millions is the subject of the song "Mirrorshades," by the Information Society.  


I listened to the song on YouTube. Great song. And I can certainly see how it may be a "Neuromancer" tribute. But what I don't see is the proof. The lyrics never directly mentions Molly or anytihng from"Neuromancer." The song is about a woman who wears "mirrorshades," it has a techno-y cyberpunk feel to it, and at one point the phrase "jack in" is used. But nothing directly indicates Gibson's character or book.


I searched the internet for sources *other than* "Neuromancer" sites that indicate how we know this song is "Neuromancer" inspired. I looked at the web pages for the Information Society, and that song "Mirrorshades." Nothing on *their* websites indicates the inspiration or subject matter for that song. Not that I could find anyway. 


Do we know for a fact that the Info. Society had Molly in mind for this song? Or did some "Neuromancer" fans just decide that that's what the song was about, and post that on their websites? 


Mind you, I love the song and love the character, and I WANT them to be related. But I want some evidence before I believe it. 


I absolutely love that this website exists.


What are your favorites from the halcyon starfield-background spinning-chrome @-symbol days?


Feeling like I've let William Gibson down. (haha)  In my exuberance over his  newest I invited mostly Gibson newbies to "book group" The Peripheral with me. (facepalm)  First words out of someone's mouth were protests about the "god in the box" popping up everywhere to provide whatever Flynne and Burton's crowd needed at the moment.  When I pointed out this was not any "god" but Lev, the newbie agreed without understanding and blabbed on about the "device," finally declaring that no one, at no time could feel any real fear for these characters.  At this point, another newbie, did pipe up and mention that she feared losing Flynne's mother, but something essential was lost, and I felt responsible.

I think cutting your teeth on Gibson with The Peripheral is perhaps a mistake.

My answer now would be that Gibson's muse, with Peripheral and with the Blue Ant series, is named Caprice.  The stories we enjoy in these books are born of the capriciousness of characters like Bigend and Lev.  In Zero History, Bigend, playing "god in the box" for Milgrim, makes it plain that his expenditures for Milgrim's rehab were purely out of "curiosity."  What kind of existential situation does this leave Milgrim in?  He is the unwilling victim of a capricious patronage that saves his life and leaves his soul in limbo.  This existential dynamic is crucial to understanding who Milgrim becomes. 

Likewise, Lev's "caprice" creates the stub that exposes the Fischer family to boon and bane.  Being a bit less calculating than Bigend, Lev stumbles along trying to correct imbalances he's created by his curiosity fetish, but his character is much like Dwight and the anonymous accountant in Flynne's time who take her gamer skills and pay for watching the cruel play.

 "It wasn't about making money, for either of them.  Not like it was for us.  It was a hobby, for them.  Rich fucks.  They'd bet on who'd win." Flynne explains to us and to Netherton when she arrives.  Then Ash completes the explanation, pages later, when she tells Flynne that they are in the future sounding evasive or ridiculous, but doing something that "people do here."  Not unlike "your two rich fucks."

Caprice is at work, inspiring Lev and Bigend, motivating Gibson to help us explore the uninvited hands of fate meddling in our own lives.


How would anyone else have answered the "god in the box" accusation?




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pretty cool its happening this year.this thread is to collect information and links  so I can write a story about it.






word up neuromancers, i am the new crazy person.  i have a couple crazy person questions.


question the first: seriously? logging in AND verifying emails?  we have been reading the same books right?  and living in this same world? i'd hoped for better (i.e. less police-state-y) from a site about dystopian futures and "hackers".  this world isn't going to change itself guys.


question the second:  you guys like spatially translocating your intellect? maybe into some weird workshop that maintains the thought control machine? i work in that workshop, and i have a white board.


i have been putting up nietzsche "quotes" and my own jokes that get promptly removed (and me scolded). but i have been listening to peripheral in the most Canadian way possible (yay library! sorry for not buying it will, but socialism is fun) and i thought mr. gibson might appreciate putting a weird word or three on this particular board via a mysterious electronically guided hand. 


but then i found this site, thought some more, and realized internationally acclaimed authors probably have better things to do than amuse a few server monkeys.  but maybe "you guys" don't.


so, anyone want me to put stuff on the whiteboard? i wont tell you what mind control machine i maintain, but it is less exciting than it sounds (that's why i like to write it like that.)  if i can find a way to take pictures without GPS tags hidden inside i can take picture if you like, but it will just be my illegible scrawl with your words on a white board.


suggest whatever, but keep in mind it is a whiteboard.  i find couplets (i.e nietzsche) fit pretty well. i'd prefer original lines, but it is empty right now so whatever.  bonus if it has robots in it.


anyway, hello.  




Hi all,


I've just joined the forum. I'm a Gibson fan since I saw Johnny Mnemonic at the cinema back in 1995, I was 15 years old. At the cinema I heard some people talking about William Gibson's work and I joined the conversation. Days after, I bought a copy of the Neuromancer and finished reading it in a week! Since that year, I read my old paperback copy of the Neuromancer and also New Rose hotel once a year. What book do you often reread?


Hey guys, new member here. I'm an illustration student studying in Michigan, and for my final senior project, I'm putting together a book of character designs and concepts relating to Neuromancer. I've recently read it and it has quickly become one of my favorite novels I've ever read. I know there were a few attempts at getting a film made, but how faithful they'd be makes me shudder, especially with the casting choices. This will be created as a sort-of pitch bible, showcasing how the characters could look. So far I have Case, Linda, Ratz and Wage completed, and the next batch will likely consist of Molly, Riviera, The Finn, and Lonny Zone. 


I have a few teases of what I've done for the project so far, and I plan to conceptualize most of the characters found in it, excluding some very minor characters. (unless I find time to do them, in which case I will.)

I wanted to show these to you guys, and possibly show them to Mr. Gibson when everything is complete if at all possible. If there's any advice on how to go about this, I'd really appreciate it! I'm also posting these to get any recommendations or input on the designs. For example, I want to do a good drawing of the creature that rips out of Riviera's back in his first appearance, and if there's any ideas you guys have, I'd love to hear them! 





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Let's talk about hardware here.  Let's get technical, pedantic even.  I don't really care if it's bikes, boats, cars or computers you want to post about, although there are already a couple threads for bikes and cars.

Anyway, game machines.  I don't know jack about gaming systems, except that they're fast, have some extra RAM, and other performance enhancements like solid state drives to cut down access times, for example.

What's the average memory, CPU speed, number of cores, and overall characteristics of a decent gaming system today?  What sort of video cards and/or screen resolutions are considered `adequate'?  Is a silent-running system a high priority?

What about sound cards, btw?  Do these need to be jacked-up too, or is it enough to run a regular sound card's output through a decent amp for once, instead of the usual tinny, barely-better-than-phone quality speakers you find in most PCs?

What I wonder about, really, is whether it's feasible to turn a retired server into a gaming system.  They're ridiculously extensible, some with 16 slots [?!?!] for additional RAM.  Some or perhaps most have a space for a second processor, although I'm not sure if an octo-core setup is useful in this case.  They have many, many additional drive bays, and I understand some Alienware machines also use RAID to speed disk accesses [presumably because the OS can grab various chunks of data from different physical drives simultaneously, parallelizing disk accesses the same way multiple cores parallelize CPU usage].  To some extent they meet similar demands, and are shaped by similar design goals.  Both have insane cooling requirements.

...But, and this is a big but, a rack-mountable server might not have the right slots for any of the fancy graphics cards out there [I know server RAM cards are quite different from those used by desktops/laptops].  Or those cards may be very rare and/or expensive.  I imagine there must be some out there, for film CGI development and such.

Basically, does this sound like a good idea, or is it really more like dropping a semi truck engine into a sports-car?


Damn it! Missed my Board day by 2 weeks, so here's a long kitten.





You think it's worth it to report spam posted on a someone's `wall'?  They've started doing that recently.  I'm of two minds about it.  I mean yes, it is spam, but no, it's not getting in anyone's way.  What do you think?

As for the shoe-spam...  Fuck it, I'm about ready to go full hobbit, just to spite them [yes, even in January, except maybe the SPD biking shoes].